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		<title>By: Alastair McDermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastair McDermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad starting point, of course what fan couldn&#039;t have strong opinions, so allow me to point out where you&#039;ve gone wrong ;)

Missing out Heinlein?! &quot;The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress&quot; and &quot;Stranger in a Strange Land&quot; I&#039;d have in there anyway.

The Robots books by Asimov (especially &quot;Caves of Steel&quot; &amp; &quot;Naked Sun&quot;)

More from Clarke, particularly some of the great short stories. I&#039;m also a big fan of &quot;Fall of Moondust&quot; for some reason, even though it&#039;s not his classic type. I loved Rama (well, up til he did a Dune series on it)

I&#039;d have &quot;Ringworld&quot; as the first Niven choice. &quot;The Mote in God&#039;s Eye&quot; is pretty good too.

Talking about great short stories collection, &quot;Anthonology&quot; from Piers Anthony, and AE van Goet has some brilliant stuff (&quot;The Weapon Shop&quot; etc)

+1 on the txtspk comment.

Cheers,
Alastair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad starting point, of course what fan couldn&#8217;t have strong opinions, so allow me to point out where you&#8217;ve gone wrong ;)</p>
<p>Missing out Heinlein?! &#8220;The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress&#8221; and &#8220;Stranger in a Strange Land&#8221; I&#8217;d have in there anyway.</p>
<p>The Robots books by Asimov (especially &#8220;Caves of Steel&#8221; &amp; &#8220;Naked Sun&#8221;)</p>
<p>More from Clarke, particularly some of the great short stories. I&#8217;m also a big fan of &#8220;Fall of Moondust&#8221; for some reason, even though it&#8217;s not his classic type. I loved Rama (well, up til he did a Dune series on it)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have &#8220;Ringworld&#8221; as the first Niven choice. &#8220;The Mote in God&#8217;s Eye&#8221; is pretty good too.</p>
<p>Talking about great short stories collection, &#8220;Anthonology&#8221; from Piers Anthony, and AE van Goet has some brilliant stuff (&#8220;The Weapon Shop&#8221; etc)</p>
<p>+1 on the txtspk comment.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Alastair.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey gareth,

There&#039;s a great book I was introduced to a little while ago called Timescape by Gregory Benford. It&#039;s in a more hard SF vein but I&#039;d definitely recommend it and think it deserves a place on your list!

When it comes to LeGuin I&#039;m partial to The Dispossessed and where&#039;s Joe Haldeman? Forever War&#039;s a little hamfisted in parts but has some great passages.

Cats Cradle was really great, but I always thought Neuromancer and Foundation (which I nearly didn&#039;t finish) were completely underwhelming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey gareth,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great book I was introduced to a little while ago called Timescape by Gregory Benford. It&#8217;s in a more hard SF vein but I&#8217;d definitely recommend it and think it deserves a place on your list!</p>
<p>When it comes to LeGuin I&#8217;m partial to The Dispossessed and where&#8217;s Joe Haldeman? Forever War&#8217;s a little hamfisted in parts but has some great passages.</p>
<p>Cats Cradle was really great, but I always thought Neuromancer and Foundation (which I nearly didn&#8217;t finish) were completely underwhelming.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tad, thanks for the comment, some great suggestions there. I took the liberty of translating it from textspeak into English; as to be honest, I find the truncated version MORE dffEcult 2 r3d. Perhaps you were worried about hitting a character limit?

Re: Neuromancer, my bad, a typo - if an unfortunate one. 

Re: The moon is a harsh mistress, I&#039;ve always avoided the book as the politics piss me off.

Re: Le Guinn, yeah there are a few titles on there that are broadly speaking &#039;realist fantasy&#039;, but in the grand scheme of things I find these books to have a much closer relationship to the spirit of SF than say the current crop of &#039;new weird&#039; titles. Plus I just enjoy those books!

Re: Rama, totally agree. It&#039;s as barren a book as 2001 is a film, but it&#039;s a classic of the genre, and holds a place in my heart.

Re: Mars Trilogy, I see where you&#039;re coming from (and this is true doubly for the CJ Cherryh), however I quite enjoy the political / sociological nature of these books. They are predictive (in a utopian kind of vein), in the way that SF which ignores how people think, and societies change can never be.

For the rest, mostly I just haven&#039;t read the books you suggest! I&#039;ve only managed to get through two Samuel Delaney titles, Nova and Babel 17, and Babel was infinitely superior.

Took a look at your site.. Can I make two minor suggestions, which you are completely free to ignore? 

1) Fix the side bar, an unconfigured CMS looks bad, it could be a spam blog or similar.

2) Don&#039;t use text speak. It&#039;s completely non-standard online, and most readers over 15 (and many under) won&#039;t make the effort required to read it. If you&#039;re using it deliberately, based on some complex psychlinguistic justification - make this clear in a piece of English language text thats front and centre on your site.

3) Show full posts, or at least large chunks. It&#039;s very difficult to judge what your brief excerpts are about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tad, thanks for the comment, some great suggestions there. I took the liberty of translating it from textspeak into English; as to be honest, I find the truncated version MORE dffEcult 2 r3d. Perhaps you were worried about hitting a character limit?</p>
<p>Re: Neuromancer, my bad, a typo &#8211; if an unfortunate one. </p>
<p>Re: The moon is a harsh mistress, I&#8217;ve always avoided the book as the politics piss me off.</p>
<p>Re: Le Guinn, yeah there are a few titles on there that are broadly speaking &#8216;realist fantasy&#8217;, but in the grand scheme of things I find these books to have a much closer relationship to the spirit of SF than say the current crop of &#8216;new weird&#8217; titles. Plus I just enjoy those books!</p>
<p>Re: Rama, totally agree. It&#8217;s as barren a book as 2001 is a film, but it&#8217;s a classic of the genre, and holds a place in my heart.</p>
<p>Re: Mars Trilogy, I see where you&#8217;re coming from (and this is true doubly for the CJ Cherryh), however I quite enjoy the political / sociological nature of these books. They are predictive (in a utopian kind of vein), in the way that SF which ignores how people think, and societies change can never be.</p>
<p>For the rest, mostly I just haven&#8217;t read the books you suggest! I&#8217;ve only managed to get through two Samuel Delaney titles, Nova and Babel 17, and Babel was infinitely superior.</p>
<p>Took a look at your site.. Can I make two minor suggestions, which you are completely free to ignore? </p>
<p>1) Fix the side bar, an unconfigured CMS looks bad, it could be a spam blog or similar.</p>
<p>2) Don&#8217;t use text speak. It&#8217;s completely non-standard online, and most readers over 15 (and many under) won&#8217;t make the effort required to read it. If you&#8217;re using it deliberately, based on some complex psychlinguistic justification &#8211; make this clear in a piece of English language text thats front and centre on your site.</p>
<p>3) Show full posts, or at least large chunks. It&#8217;s very difficult to judge what your brief excerpts are about.</p>
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		<title>By: tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there! That&#039;s a pretty good introductory list, and since lists are meant to be commented on....

I&#039;d have picked Delany&#039;s EMPIRE STAR rather than BABEL-17 (more high-tech, easier to read, shorter, faster-paced, funnier, an epic story in 110 pages), and Bradbury&#039;s brilliant(!) MARTIAN CHRONICLES rather than FAHRENHEIT, but still....

Always have thought Clarke&#039;s RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA was awfully dry, and; the characters in it are &#039;blah&#039;. LeGuin&#039;s LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS would be more science-fictiony, but WIZARD OF EARTHSEA is easier to read. I&#039;m sure you already know Gibson&#039;s book is actually called NEUROMANCER -- the guy who invented (or at least predicted) the Internet!

Kim Stanley Robinson&#039;s MARS TRILOGY is so down to Earth and; realistic, the lack of Drama has stopped me, but his short-story collection in the same setting, THE MARTIANS, has some great stuff in it. Dick&#039;s THREE STIGMATA would be challenging for a newcomer to the field; I find Dick very hard to read but worth it. How bout Ballard&#039;s VERMILLION SANDS rather than those other two challenging titles? It&#039;s very mellow and; dreamy, even funny!

Ellison&#039;s DANGEROUS VISIONS has some great stuff in it -- and; his own writing is a scream! DEATHBIRD STORIES is Specially good. If you&#039;d consider adding Heinlein, I&#039;d push for THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS -- great stuff! Some of his other novels are really overrated, and; of course the original DUNE is brilliant, one of SF&#039;s all-time best.
How bout one of my favourites, George R.R. Martin? His DYING OF THE LIGHT is a great space-opera, beautiful writing, gorgeous moody settings, great characters, moving ending. Easy to read, too!

No Bob Silverberg? I&#039;m shocked. DYING INSIDE would be a good choice -- uses one of the classic SF themes: telepathy, and a moving character portrait it is, too.

No John Brunner? STAND ON ZANZIBAR would be a real challenge for a beginner, but overpopulation is one of the classic SF themes. Brunner&#039;s THE SHEEP LOOK UP would be good for a beginner -- ecology / pollution / disaster, told in a very high-tech, fast-paced way. Fred Pohl&#039;s GATEWAY would be a very good &quot;fairly&quot; recent choice (only thirty two years old....)
Don&#039;t mean to nitpick. I don&#039;t see any bad books in your list, among the one&#039;s I&#039;ve read. But like you say, it&#039;s a huge field....

Well, enough. Thanks for letting me spout off a little. I&#039;ve wanted to review more SF at my own website/blog, so I couldn&#039;t resist checking out your list. Please feel welcome to visit.

Best,
-- TAD,
Port Orchard, Washington, USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there! That&#8217;s a pretty good introductory list, and since lists are meant to be commented on&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have picked Delany&#8217;s EMPIRE STAR rather than BABEL-17 (more high-tech, easier to read, shorter, faster-paced, funnier, an epic story in 110 pages), and Bradbury&#8217;s brilliant(!) MARTIAN CHRONICLES rather than FAHRENHEIT, but still&#8230;.</p>
<p>Always have thought Clarke&#8217;s RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA was awfully dry, and; the characters in it are &#8216;blah&#8217;. LeGuin&#8217;s LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS would be more science-fictiony, but WIZARD OF EARTHSEA is easier to read. I&#8217;m sure you already know Gibson&#8217;s book is actually called NEUROMANCER &#8212; the guy who invented (or at least predicted) the Internet!</p>
<p>Kim Stanley Robinson&#8217;s MARS TRILOGY is so down to Earth and; realistic, the lack of Drama has stopped me, but his short-story collection in the same setting, THE MARTIANS, has some great stuff in it. Dick&#8217;s THREE STIGMATA would be challenging for a newcomer to the field; I find Dick very hard to read but worth it. How bout Ballard&#8217;s VERMILLION SANDS rather than those other two challenging titles? It&#8217;s very mellow and; dreamy, even funny!</p>
<p>Ellison&#8217;s DANGEROUS VISIONS has some great stuff in it &#8212; and; his own writing is a scream! DEATHBIRD STORIES is Specially good. If you&#8217;d consider adding Heinlein, I&#8217;d push for THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS &#8212; great stuff! Some of his other novels are really overrated, and; of course the original DUNE is brilliant, one of SF&#8217;s all-time best.<br />
How bout one of my favourites, George R.R. Martin? His DYING OF THE LIGHT is a great space-opera, beautiful writing, gorgeous moody settings, great characters, moving ending. Easy to read, too!</p>
<p>No Bob Silverberg? I&#8217;m shocked. DYING INSIDE would be a good choice &#8212; uses one of the classic SF themes: telepathy, and a moving character portrait it is, too.</p>
<p>No John Brunner? STAND ON ZANZIBAR would be a real challenge for a beginner, but overpopulation is one of the classic SF themes. Brunner&#8217;s THE SHEEP LOOK UP would be good for a beginner &#8212; ecology / pollution / disaster, told in a very high-tech, fast-paced way. Fred Pohl&#8217;s GATEWAY would be a very good &#8220;fairly&#8221; recent choice (only thirty two years old&#8230;.)<br />
Don&#8217;t mean to nitpick. I don&#8217;t see any bad books in your list, among the one&#8217;s I&#8217;ve read. But like you say, it&#8217;s a huge field&#8230;.</p>
<p>Well, enough. Thanks for letting me spout off a little. I&#8217;ve wanted to review more SF at my own website/blog, so I couldn&#8217;t resist checking out your list. Please feel welcome to visit.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
&#8211; TAD,<br />
Port Orchard, Washington, USA</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Claire - I&#039;ve included some examples of Speculative Fiction, that don&#039;t fit the narrow definition of science fiction per say.

Quite a few of the books listed are actually YA, specifically..

The Ceres Solution, The Stainless Steal Rat, Earth Sea / Dark is Rising books, Virtual Mode, and arguably Cat&#039;s Cradle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Claire &#8211; I&#8217;ve included some examples of Speculative Fiction, that don&#8217;t fit the narrow definition of science fiction per say.</p>
<p>Quite a few of the books listed are actually YA, specifically..</p>
<p>The Ceres Solution, The Stainless Steal Rat, Earth Sea / Dark is Rising books, Virtual Mode, and arguably Cat&#8217;s Cradle.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wee Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wee Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cough* Earthsea not quite SF *cough* 

Which reminds me, Le Guin&#039;s book on writing is supposed to be quite useful - &#039;Steering the Craft&#039; - might be worth checking out at next book-buying binge? 

Actually, aren&#039;t the Susan Cooper books fantasy also? Where oh where is the good kids/YA scifi? (Starfleet Academy series of books does not count.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cough* Earthsea not quite SF *cough* </p>
<p>Which reminds me, Le Guin&#8217;s book on writing is supposed to be quite useful &#8211; &#8216;Steering the Craft&#8217; &#8211; might be worth checking out at next book-buying binge? </p>
<p>Actually, aren&#8217;t the Susan Cooper books fantasy also? Where oh where is the good kids/YA scifi? (Starfleet Academy series of books does not count.)</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, Homeward Bounders looks good, I&#039;ll keep an eye out for it. Eoin, loved Susan Cooper growing up. Heard the movie was terrible. Such a pity, could have made something amazing in the right hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, Homeward Bounders looks good, I&#8217;ll keep an eye out for it. Eoin, loved Susan Cooper growing up. Heard the movie was terrible. Such a pity, could have made something amazing in the right hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Eoin Purcell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eoin Purcell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some really fine choices there!
The Susan Cooper books especially are a great read though cruelly overlooked these days I think and that film they made was awful!
Eoin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some really fine choices there!<br />
The Susan Cooper books especially are a great read though cruelly overlooked these days I think and that film they made was awful!<br />
Eoin</p>
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		<title>By: Simon McGarr</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archer&#039;s Goon, The Homeward Bounders both by Diana Wynn Jones.</description>
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